(Not So) Deep Sh*t with Chris & Steve
(Not So) Deep Sh*t with Chris & Steve
Solo Steve - Paranormal Investigations with Phil Ianazzo
It's a SOLO STEVE BONUS EPISODE!
Ever wonder what happens when the body dies? Or why some spirits seem to linger in certain places? On today's show, we step into the shoes of Phil Ianazzo, founder of the Merrimack Valley Paranormal Society. Growing up in Wakefield, Massachusetts, with a cemetery in his backyard, Phil's childhood was anything but ordinary. We explore how this unique upbringing shaped Phil's curiosity for the paranormal and delve into his first chilling encounter with the spiritual realm.
Phil leads us on an intriguing journey, one filled with EVPs, Ouija boards, and pendulums, sharing his ghost hunting techniques and the significance of using them correctly. We follow him on his most memorable trips to the East State Penitentiary, the Tenney Gate House, and Gettysburg, and shed light on the incredible history of the Jenny Wade House. Phil's captivating stories not only draw you in but provide an entirely new perspective on understanding the world beyond our own.
Brace yourselves for an eye-opening conversation on the difference between physical and mental visions, the impact of energy on paranormal activity, and the subtle nuances of dealing with hauntings. Phil's experiences remind us of the importance of intuition and trusting our gut instincts. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, the compelling tales from Phil's paranormal investigations are sure to ignite a spark of curiosity and leave you with a newfound understanding of the energies that inhabit our world. So, sit back, relax, and join us in this riveting conversation with Phil Ianazzo.
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Hey everybody, this is Steve Blair with the Steve Blair podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Today's guest the founder of the AmeriMagBallee Paranormal Society. So you know what that means. We got some what I would call maybe kind of scary stories. People might relate a little differently to you, but whatever you think, it's definitely interesting and it's worth your time. Thank you very much for listening. Here we go, all right. This is Steve with Phil Ionazo. Hello everyone, did I say it right? Yes, sir, all right, and Phil is the founder of the AmeriMagBallee Paranormal Society. That's correct. Is that correct? That is, and when did you found the AmeriMagBallee Paranormal Society 1991. Oh, so it's been a long time.
Speaker 2:It's been a long time.
Speaker 1:All right. We've been at it for a while. Wow, so Phil is from Wakefield, massachusetts Originally, sir, so you're local, right, yes, sir, and we'll get into the different things you've been into in your life, but right now we'll talk about some of the different things you're doing with the Paranormal Society. So you found it in 1991, so that's been a while, and what well? Let me ask you this what made you want to found it?
Speaker 2:Well, it's funny. As a child growing up in Wakefield, my only window in my bedroom overlooked the cemetery. So it was kind of morbid curiosity, I guess yeah, For lack of a better word where sometimes you're just looking out your window as a kid and you're looking into the cemetery and maybe your mind's playing tricks on you or maybe it's just your imagination, but you feel like you saw things or whatever. And as I got older I was curious about basically is there life after death?
Speaker 1:What happens?
Speaker 2:when the body dies, does the soul can carry on in the capsule which is the body, just lays to rest. And what happens. What causes people to say, all right, my house is haunted, or I keep hearing messages from my loved ones. Is this true or is this something that people are just making up? And then, as I got older, I started researching and started seeing there was more people like myself and I figured it's a good hobby to have.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:It's something to occupy your time.
Speaker 1:Well, it sounds like it might even be a little more than that, right, it sounds like you have. It definitely goes beyond that.
Speaker 2:It started off more as I guess a hobby, yep.
Speaker 1:No, I get it.
Speaker 2:I get a lot more than that because of taking my experiences, or my, I guess, experiences to another level, spiritually mind-wise and paranormal-wise, I guess.
Speaker 1:So how old were you when you first started having this feeling that maybe there was more than just you looking at a cemetery?
Speaker 2:It was walking by the cemetery, maybe coming home from a friend's house when it was kind of dusk or whatever, and feeling like you weren't alone. So I would say, at a fairly young age, maybe between 12, 14, again, maybe it was just my imagination or it's a cemetery, but if you think about a cemetery, the body never died in the cemetery, the body died elsewhere. It's just the final resting place is the cemetery. So for a cemetery to be haunted, or to have paranormal activity.
Speaker 2:It would have to be some really strong energies to create that which the cemetery is on a lake, and water does create a lot of energy, so that's important. Knowing when you're investigating paranormal to see what causes more energy, the more energy that's there whether it's running water, moonlight, anything like that. It creates more energy.
Speaker 1:It does.
Speaker 2:Which the spirits feed off of, because it's energy. They need the energy during the day to absorb it. That's why a lot of paranormal activity happens at night, because everybody's running around during the day creating all this energy, and then at nighttime everybody settles down, so the energy is less and now all these energies have absorbed this energy, and now they're actually exhuming that energy and doing what they have to do, whether it's talk to a loved one or haunt somebody.
Speaker 1:Oh wow. So it's not so much because it's dark.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, but it. I mean it's because everything slows down. If you're running around busy on your day and say your house is haunted and you're not thinking about it and you're doing this and you're on your phone and you're doing computer work and you just focused on what you're doing and there's things going on.
Speaker 2:You're not noticing it because you're too focused on what's going on. But now, at nighttime, you sit down and you watch TV. You're eating dinner sitting down, reading a book or whatever. Then all of a sudden you start picking up on like what's this noise? What's going?
Speaker 1:on here. Wait, what's causing that? Why that door open?
Speaker 2:You know it's and that's the energy that that absorbed during the day, it gets released at night.
Speaker 1:Interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Interesting. Can you remember what was your first experience?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can.
Speaker 1:You want to talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, I used to go walk through the cemetery because it was on the lake and I used to love fishing when I was younger and I was fishing one day and whatnot? It was probably close to dusk and you know when back back then I'm not a young guy, you know mom's like come home and streetlights come on Right. Oh yeah, there's no streetlights in the cemetery, so I'm not thinking, I'm fishing, I'm having a grand old time.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Next thing. I know it's pretty dark out now. No cell phones, no pagers, no nothing. Now I get to walk through the cemetery, turn around and there's somebody standing behind me. Get out of here.
Speaker 1:Was it a real person?
Speaker 2:No, no. I looked around, looked up, saw somebody Turned back, turned back again gone really Claire's day really Claire's day, gentlemen. You know, dressed nice clothing Could see through him. You know, I could tell he was dressed. But I mean I, you know Sharp dressed man, could see through him but could also see what he was wearing and everything else. Really, I don't think my feet hit the ground when I wow cemetery.
Speaker 1:Did you feel like you just kind of just?
Speaker 2:didn't tell us all you scared the shit, I just ran home like, like my feet didn't even touch the ground really didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 1:And do you think you were 12 to 14?
Speaker 2:I would say probably more like 13, 14. Okay yeah, because that was more like the time where you know I could you know yeah, a little bit past when I was supposed to be. Oh yeah, so yeah but yeah, and then it just progressively. You know I feel like I got locked into it. You know it's kind of that one. You know you're you're not a believer. To you see, it seems believing.
Speaker 1:So everybody's like.
Speaker 2:I don't believe in that. I don't believe that well, when you see it, you'll believe it.
Speaker 1:So then, once you see it, it opens up the mind to like what's going on, like there is other things here.
Speaker 2:There is life after death.
Speaker 1:What is happening here? What is causing this?
Speaker 2:I'm not you know, I'm a 14 year old kid.
Speaker 1:I'm not, you know, I'm not on drugs, I'm not you know I'm saying it's like that's a heavy thing for a 14 year old kid.
Speaker 2:It is it is, it's heavy, it is heavy, it is heavy, and again it's like you know. And now, now, of course, now there's a window that looks into the cemetery. It's literally right across the street. So now I'm in, out there. Now I almost got obsessed with it. Yep, you know what I'm saying. And as I grew older, you know, I, you know research, but back then there wasn't a lot going on. There was not a lot to research. I mean, the internet was just coming into.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was nothing it was no internet or anything like that, but it was. It was crazy, wow, the librarian looking up things and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So you're fishing, yeah, and you go to go home and you see this dude, yeah, dressed up nice.
Speaker 2:I mean like, yeah, I mean like he was like he, like he was going to work somewhere.
Speaker 1:Really yeah. Was there any kind of interchange between the two of you? It was just your song.
Speaker 2:It was pure panic on my part.
Speaker 1:Really yeah. Do you think he was trying to to communicate with you in any way?
Speaker 2:I honestly think he was watching me fish. I think he was hoping I caught a fish.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow. So he wasn't intimidating you?
Speaker 2:No, I don't think so, and I feel like when he saw that I was panicked which. I truly was panicked. I think he's like I'm out of here.
Speaker 1:Oh, so he didn't that was it? Yeah, I think you know he didn't like do anything Affirmative to you, I think he was just.
Speaker 2:maybe he was a fisherman himself, maybe he enjoyed, you know, maybe he had grandkids or something.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Wow, and that's the thing it's like. I mean, I feel like Very rarely hauntings like I feel like TV right now doesn't do the paranormal justice right now, because everything's evil right, you know, yeah, you're right all these ones, you see, like this, like all this evil, this entity was a demon. It's demonic. It's like, come on, I mean, have we come across Bad entities? Yes, demonic, I don't think so. Okay, you know, malevolent maybe, yep, but demonic, I don't think so you do you?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna circle back a few times, but that's fine, but do you feel, just on the line you're talking that most of the times that maybe it seems problematic. I mean, I don't know, is more like just people, just Somebody's just trying to have a good time and trying to bust, bust shops, or how do you possibly?
Speaker 2:Possibly, but I also feel like bad energy Creates bad, bad energy creates bad energy.
Speaker 1:What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2:as far as, if you're if, like, people are Having negative energy, it's gonna draw negative entities. Okay, it's gonna draw, like you know, negative people draw negative People. Yep, negative energy draws negative things. That makes sense.
Speaker 1:So if it's, right.
Speaker 2:So if it's, if it's negative, or if you feel, if you're a negative, person, then Negative things are gonna happen. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yep. So it's, you know, you know positivity in.
Speaker 2:Life in anything breeds positivity.
Speaker 1:Yep. So keep things positive, you know. Keep things, you know, not everything's bad and evil.
Speaker 2:You know, is there evil out there? Of course there is. Yep, you know. But I mean I've honestly thank God, I've never come across anything demonic or evil. You never have Maybe with bad intentions, but I wouldn't call it evil. Okay, I you know there's a difference. I mean evil is like. I mean I would say, there was, you know, bad intentions yes, evil no.
Speaker 1:So you've never been George C Scott from the exorcist? No, you never come across anything like that. I never want to. I would, I would either.
Speaker 2:Never want to, I wouldn't either. I would neither. There was one time that we went to a place and Was out in New.
Speaker 1:Hampshire Of course I'm not gonna give names or anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we pulled out to the house and it was just. You could just feel the darkness.
Speaker 1:Really, oh, you just from the drive just from the drive.
Speaker 2:As soon as you pulled in, you could feel the darkness and I'm like I'm not going in there.
Speaker 1:Did you say you didn't go in?
Speaker 2:Nope, I called the woman. She came outside and I gave her a number. I said you call this woman. She's gonna take care of you. She's gonna give you some prayers. You're gonna have to buy some supplies, sage Stuff like that. You're gonna get some prayers. She's gonna walk you through your prayers. You're gonna bless your house. It needs to be blessed. I am not the guy for that job. That's above the realm of fill.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow that's not what I do. Wow, you know, I'll. I'll tell you. If your house is haunted, I'll get in contact with your loved ones and you know, tell them that they're all right. But I'm not. I'm not battling evil.
Speaker 1:Wow. So if somebody did contact you right, which um I'll give a, can I give you your email address?
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, it's so you're. You're the founder of the Merrimack Valley Paranormal Society, that's correct. And your email address is Merrimack M E R R I M a C K, merrimack, yep, and then it's VPS, vps, merrimack, vps, at gmailcom. That's good, somebody wanted to contact you. So somebody did contact you and they said hey, listen, I think there's there's an entity in my house. So if they contacted you, what's the next step? So it's.
Speaker 2:it's funny, there's an interview process, basically okay, you know you have to feel these people out Yep? Are they on drugs?
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I mean, are they? You know substance, you know? Are they addicted to some kind of substance?
Speaker 1:You know it's all process, so they might be hearing things or seeing things because of something besides. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's, I mean, just like anything. Did they tell you the truth? Not all the time, but do this whole process you go through like okay, how long so you? Have like an intake process. Yeah, of course I'm not just gonna be sure. I'm like, hey, we'll take care of it. Yep, no, I want. I want to know you, I want to know what you're about. Yeah, you know what so?
Speaker 1:what is the process?
Speaker 2:It's basically a conversation like I'm having with you, whether it's over the phone or maybe Over a cup of coffee somewhere. Yep and just like, tell me about yourself. What's going on, what has happened? You?
Speaker 1:know are you like?
Speaker 2:you know what would it? What do you like to do when you're? You know you spare time and you know people talk. You know what do you mean. It's like they give you their information that you know, you know you know, I like to you know I like to have a good time and the sat in the other. And so when does a lot of this paranormal activity happen? Usually at night, on Friday nights or Saturday nights, and then you're like all right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's all right, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean if they come full with with evidence, photos, you know, videos, even EVPs, and it's like all right. Well, that's a different thing, you know but it's, it's an interview process. It's you gotta, you gotta be you gotta be careful on where you're going and who you're going with. I mean we don't do it alone. There's, there's a group of us that go there.
Speaker 1:All right, you know.
Speaker 2:So there's a good, you know, I got a good, good crew. Do yeah, you know, cuz someone's always not available. Yeah, so you know at least three or four people that a whack is a good is a good. It's a good group to have. You don't want too many people because in this contamination and there's too much going on.
Speaker 1:What is? What is EVP?
Speaker 2:Electric voice phenomenon.
Speaker 1:Okay, and what does that mean?
Speaker 2:So we use voice recorders like you would record yourself, like taking notes on your cell phone or whatever, and you press play and you ask questions and it answers over the Recording waves so it's like they you may not hear in your ears, but the sensitivity of the recorder picks up the voices that you can't hear with your ear. Sometimes you hear them with your ears and you also pick them up in the recorder to really yeah, so that must be something that's yeah.
Speaker 1:So you have heard live. Have you heard live? Yes, and how do you classify it? Is it an entity? How do you call it if you're, if you're interacting in some way?
Speaker 2:If you're having a full-blown interaction, I mean you don't always like you when you have a full-blown interaction. There's other other equipment that we use that. I mean we're, we're not like we're not like ghost hunters on TV that have all this funding, that can have all these absolutely insane you know products you know made for them and give it to them. We're you know we're hard workers and you know we don't, so we don't have crazy stuff like they have.
Speaker 2:But we have your, your voice recorders, digital digital voice recorders. We use tape voice recorders to. We have the little tapes.
Speaker 1:Yep cuz it's just a different, like a dictaphone thing.
Speaker 2:Oh, just like, like a Cassette tape okay so cuz it's different frequencies, so some some pick up different frequencies where the look you? Know, the regular voice recorder will pick up a higher frequency and the tape recorder will pick up a lower frequency.
Speaker 2:That maybe is too low for the the you know the regular high the high-end voice recorder to pick up. So and then we do, you know, infrared cameras. We do like. We do stuff like strobe lights where, like you send strobes and if something breaks the beams, like if, like a shadow goes through with, like this beam is broken and this real as possible entity. You know, on-premises and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:You know and mostly you know infrared cameras and just basic recording.
Speaker 2:I got. I do have a thermal imaging camera which you know does he frequencies and stuff like that which I can record from which I can plug right in, which was pretty expensive but that was donated to us by flare imaging, which was nice.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, so you have a flier camera. Yep F I, f, l I.
Speaker 2:R Yep right.
Speaker 1:That's correct, okay.
Speaker 2:That's all the all, the all the big guys use them. Yeah, wow, that worked for him and he got him to donate one to me, which was nice.
Speaker 1:So the people that are in your society, yeah, they, they. Generally there must be all kind of volunteers, yeah every small, intense right. So these are people that are just very interested in this just like you, right exactly. So somebody contacts you, you have an intake process with them. Yep, out of that process let's say, out of 10, 10 people that contact you, how many times you think you actually go out to investigate? 50% okay, so it's. It's actually not that low.
Speaker 2:No, it's not that low 50%. Okay, you know it's it's it's pretty good. It's a pretty good, it's a pretty good ratio. Covid really put a damper on it. I would imagine just because, obviously for obvious reasons. But it's, it's picking up again.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:But it's, it's something that you know, you know we can't have people in your house when people are worried about COVID right.
Speaker 1:You know it's now. They don't know. You know what I'm saying, right?
Speaker 2:you know, so it's definitely put a damper on it.
Speaker 1:Wow, all right, and so then is it generally People's homes, or is?
Speaker 2:it, we've done factory buildings really we've done buildings in Lawrence, factory buildings Awesome, awesome, like old mill buildings yeah. Oh yeah, we've done people's homes with. We've done, we've been to East and state penitentiary.
Speaker 1:Oh, and is that in Philadelphia it?
Speaker 2:is. I mean we had to pay a fee to get there, but it was well worth it. Was it Gettysburg. We hit Gettysburg on that same trip. It is Bro. Gettysburg was amazing Really. So it's mostly. It's mostly like when I get phone calls it's mostly people's homes.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:You know we've done like the Tenney gate house in Mathun and stuff. Really yeah, Wow.
Speaker 1:So so somebody calls you, you go out and investigate and you have this different equipment that you use, right, and how long does the process take before you can make a determination generally?
Speaker 2:Sometimes we'll go through a whole investigation. You know, we obviously start at night and we go through a whole investigation and we're like we didn't find anything. But then we go back and listen to the recordings or watch the video and then like oh, look at that, oh, listen to this, then you find it. It's you know, it's like fishing you either catch something or you don't catch something. Yep, just because you don't catch something doesn't mean the fish out there Just didn't happen to be your night.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's a good way of putting it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know we like to we like to. Have the spirits of the entities come to us. They like to kind of sit in one spot for a while. You know, put out our instruments, let our cameras roll, have a conversation and see what happens. You know, nothing happens like fishing we move on to the next spot. You know cause they'll find us before we find them.
Speaker 1:Really yeah. So when you say have a conversation, what do you mean by that? Just like me and you were having a conversation, right now maybe talking like hey, you know, is there anybody here?
Speaker 2:So what do you? Want to say Anything to us. Can we help anybody? My name's Phil. This is Steve. We had to help you. We had to you know, pass on information to your loved ones, your friends and your family, if you want to speak to us. You can speak into this device sitting on the table here. Let us know what you need and we're here to help.
Speaker 2:We're not going to hurt you. You know we're not going to do anything. We're not going to try to get you out of this home or anything. It's not what we do. We find the problem. There's a problem, Someone else can fix it.
Speaker 1:So do you find that the responses you get? Is it that there's a problem or they're just there?
Speaker 2:A lot of times they're just there.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:They were there before you and they'll be there after you. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, maybe it was their home, maybe they work there.
Speaker 2:And they don't you know a lot of times, too, they're trying to get a message through to somebody, and maybe that's what our job is to find that message and pass it on to someone.
Speaker 1:Is there any common theme to that or do you find it just the spectrum all different?
Speaker 2:types of things. I find it all different types of things. I just do. I just think it's just interesting, you know, and it's funny because we've worked with other groups and we've worked with psychics and stuff like that, and everybody has their own take on something. Yeah, you know it's there you know, which is great, because that's the thing. There's no, let's call it an SOP, there's no standard operating procedure for ghost hunting. You know what I mean? It's whatever works for you, you know so-and-so you know, ghost people may do something a different way.
Speaker 2:We may do it a different way too, but let's combine our two together and see what happens.
Speaker 1:So there's no yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, it is what it is, it's how, whatever works for you. Okay, you know whatever works best for you, whatever gives you the best result, is how you wanna do something.
Speaker 1:When you let's say you're interacting, so let's, so I guess again, I've never done any other stuff you've done Sounds super interesting. I'd like to actually go sometime. We'll take you with us. I'd love that Absolutely. Let's say you go and there's something interacting with you. Okay, Right, once they start interacting with you, do you try to get additional information? How does that work?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I use a pendulum a lot, which you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, explain it, Explain what that means.
Speaker 2:So a pendulum is basically you know, of chained with a weighted ball. On the end it comes to a point and it's moved by energy. We say circular motion is yes, back and forth is no. So we talk to an entity of this, somebody here. Can you please move this pendulum Circle? No, back and forth Circle. Yes, I'm sorry, back and forth no. So we start that way Once we make contact, then we can proceed. Okay, there's something here. Let's proceed with a different type of product to see what we can get.
Speaker 2:Let's try to get them to interact with us and have more of a conversation, Because yes and no you know, all you can do with a pendulum is get basically a yes or no.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So then we either use a Ouija board, you know, or we will try to get EVPs. We'll always have EVPs running because you always want all the information you can get possibly. So then you maybe use a Ouija board, which I don't recommend unless you really know what you're doing with it.
Speaker 1:Why do you say that? Can it be dangerous to use it if you don't know what you're doing?
Speaker 2:I consider a Ouija board like a chainsaw If you don't know what you're doing, you're gonna hurt yourself. There's a way to open the board.
Speaker 1:There's a way to close the board.
Speaker 2:It needs to be done properly.
Speaker 1:Now, you did that with me. I did that when you came to my house, that's correct, and it was awesome. I loved it and you had a whole process that you went through. You did this whole thing with the burning of the wood. You had a whole process, which I'm sure all means something, of course, right? It's the burning of the wood was the.
Speaker 2:Palo Santo, which is a holy wood from Israel, from the Holy Land. So you burn that which is like sage. So it protects you, it protects your house, it protects everybody around you from any negativity. And then you proceed, you open the board. You say we're gonna open this Ouija board. We'd like any positive entities to come join us. Negative entities are not welcomed. And then we have the wood going, we can leave the wood burning.
Speaker 1:We put it out. I think we put it out.
Speaker 2:Right, it is potent smell. It's a wonderful smell.
Speaker 1:I like the smell. Actually, I burned it because you left it. I burned it once in a while. Yeah, you should.
Speaker 2:I bought more of it. Yeah, you should burn it, every you should. It's fantastic In each room, each corner of your room and everything else you wanna purify your house.
Speaker 1:Does it mean this Also? It actually does that. I did it just for the smell.
Speaker 2:I like the smell. That's fine too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it so it actually has that kind of property to it. Absolutely, Absolutely.
Speaker 2:You know when you're lighting it, you can be like any negative energy that's here. You're not welcome.
Speaker 1:Maybe crack a window and like there's your exit, please leave. You know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you open the board you proceed with your information and then you close the board. You say we're leaving now, all entities that are with us please leave.
Speaker 2:You may go back to where you came from, but you're not welcome to stay here, and then we're gonna close the board and then you close the board, that's okay.
Speaker 1:So cause a lot of people probably think and I was one of them, you know, being honest, the Ouija board's just like playing Monopoly. But after we did our thing and there was, you know, other people from my family here I had an understanding. It's not just a board game, no, no, there's more to it.
Speaker 2:It's correct. You know, you need to be focused, you need to have positive energy, you need to be focused at the task at hand, which is contacting the afterlife. And you know, for example, my wife bought me a cutting board. Okay, that's a Ouija board.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, comes out of Halloween. I like to leave it out a little longer, but she puts it away.
Speaker 1:Yep, I can actually make it work. Really yeah.
Speaker 2:I can make it work, and it's a cutting board. It's not even, oh, it's a Ouija board, but it's a cutting board. I can actually make it work Wow. And it's kind of bizarre because it's glass and when something slides over it just makes this eerie noise.
Speaker 1:Really, yeah, so your first experience with this type of thing was when you were doing that fishing. Is that when you, at that age, did you have the understanding that you had that ability? When did you say listen, I think I might actually have some sort of ability here, or I might have at least the ability to do something.
Speaker 2:It was probably when I was a little old, or probably 18, 19, when I was out of friends' house and I saw his mom who passed away, Get out of here, really Yep, so tell me about it. So I've never met the woman before. I've known the kid when obviously it was just him and his dad and one day I'm like hey, Mike and I described his mom.
Speaker 1:So tell me. So you were at his house.
Speaker 2:At his house.
Speaker 1:So where were you when you think you saw her?
Speaker 2:We were downstairs, basically in his room, in the basement room, finished basement hanging out.
Speaker 1:Okay. So I'm like I'm looking, I'm like all right, I know.
Speaker 2:Mike's mom's passed away. I've never seen a female head before and I'm like, hey, Mike, I'm gonna describe somebody to you. You tell me who this is.
Speaker 1:So were you sitting with him? Were you in the same room with him when this happened?
Speaker 2:Literally like he was basically where you are and I was facing this way and she was basically in the doorway and you were in a regular-sized room. Yeah, big basement. Well, a big basement, yeah, okay, so you, were in a finished basement, so it was a good-sized room.
Speaker 1:How far away was this thing, this woman, when he thought you saw her? 15 feet, so not too far.
Speaker 2:No, close enough. Yeah, like you know so you could describe her oh, I described her to a T In his face was shocked and all Get out of here.
Speaker 1:Wow, so you saw her.
Speaker 2:You just described my mother and you've never met my mother.
Speaker 1:Was she just? Was she trying to communicate with you? Was she just looking at you? I think she was just there. Was she just there?
Speaker 2:She was just there, she just watching over her husband and her son. He was the only son.
Speaker 1:You know the father was I guess in the alcoholic, I guess for lack of a better word.
Speaker 2:So she was maybe his guy and angel. You know she was watching after him For the son you mean. Yeah yeah, both of them, both of them, wow, yeah, yeah. So it was definitely-.
Speaker 1:So you just saw there wasn't interaction. You just saw her.
Speaker 2:It was very peaceful. It was very calming. It was very peaceful.
Speaker 1:But she wasn't angry. No, there was no anger at all.
Speaker 2:It was very, very tranquil. It was just very, almost reassuring. It was very comforting. So you felt that, oh, I could feel it. So I was talking to him and I'm just like, all of a sudden, I just felt this energy. It was just so euphoric, almost Like it was just like so calming and it's like wow. And then I looked and there she was.
Speaker 1:Wow. So, and did you then describe her to your friend? I, I, I, I, I tweeted, and what did your friend say?
Speaker 2:That he was, that's my mom, and you, my mom, and you've never been seen a picture of my mom. I'm like I have not.
Speaker 1:Wow, and after you described that interaction, did your friend Talk about maybe him having that same kind of interaction, or no you, so you, the only one he was pretty freaked out actually.
Speaker 2:Wow, he was pretty freaked out.
Speaker 1:Was there anything after that with her, or no?
Speaker 2:No, actually never again, never again.
Speaker 1:Wow. So at that time you thought to yourself I might have an ability that other people don't.
Speaker 2:That's true, you know what the funny thing is? What? His birthday is the same day as yours, of mine, Really Wow. October 28th, three Scorpios, that's right because we used to have a huge party. Oh, you did at his house for the two of us, yeah, oh wow, and the mom never showed up again.
Speaker 1:Never, sorry again.
Speaker 2:I feel like it was like she's like hey, I'm here, everything's good. I think we were talking about something, because I think he was a little distraught. Yeah, you know about something and we were just having a conversation just two guys having a conversation and all this is like hey, I'm here, I got this and I'm like boom, wow, wow.
Speaker 1:so when you have an interaction visual or Combination of visual plus additional things, do you usually have a feeling you get inside about, about the interaction?
Speaker 2:The visual, like the truly visual with my own eyes, like seeing it with my own eyes is rare Okay. I see it a lot in my head. I get the pitchers in my mind.
Speaker 1:How do you differentiate between the two?
Speaker 2:because it's not. It's. It's a flash in my mind. It's not. It's not in front of me, I'm not physically seeing it.
Speaker 1:I'm, it's a flash and in my head where I can describe.
Speaker 2:All right, I'm seeing this, I'm seeing that in this that and the other it's. It's not.
Speaker 2:It's not in front of me, it's in my brain, basically okay, and it's, and that's again like when we were, you know, doing the Ouija board yep with One of your daughter's friends. I got the barber and that was the barber was a flash in my head, was someone saying Barbara, barbara, barbara. Okay, I asked her and she's like yeah, you know oh, wow, okay, so that's how that works. Yeah, it's, you hear it in your brain, you see it in your brain.
Speaker 1:It's probably much easier for us to talk about it than it is the process that goes on with you.
Speaker 2:It's harder process, like, like. You know I've seen things like and you see like you know, like a chair, there's a chair there you look at the chair, but then you see in your mind that someone's sitting in that chair.
Speaker 1:And oh, okay.
Speaker 2:I'm saying like there's the chair, but then in your mind you see that chair, but then you see somebody in that chair, yep.
Speaker 1:And then you describe that person or whatever to somebody and they're like yeah, that was my uncle, that was my dad, that was and that's his chair, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So it's like you get that vision. It's in your head, it's. It's obviously Difficult to comprehend because it's taken me years To do this, you know, but that's, yeah, it's both. It's visual and it's it's, I guess, subliminal. I guess for lack of a better word In your mind. You get the pictures in your mind. When I'm talking to people. Sometimes I'll be like for example, I've been dealing with this woman out of New Hampshire through phone calls and text messaging and she was describing her situation and I said Blue jacket, red hat, she's like that's my son. He was murdered. Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 1:So all right, so You're texting this woman.
Speaker 2:We were having a phone call, so we now you're talking to her.
Speaker 1:She was on the phone.
Speaker 2:And this just came to you, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And it came to you. Was it a red jacket, blue hat or the other way around, blue jacket, red hat, blue jacket, red hat and it just came to you, yep, I don't know where. So it's just like this Thought you had and somehow you knew it related to the conversation we're having with this lady.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, because it usually does like, if I'm, is that how it works usually, usually? You know usually, and so you said it to her.
Speaker 1:You said what? Tell me, tell me how you said it to her.
Speaker 2:She was talking about her son who was murdered, shit, and I'm like you know his name was Joe and I'm like the time of Joe he's passing was he wearing? A red hat and a blue jacket, she's like Started balling her eyes out. She's like absolutely, I'm like he's fine, he's home Really. Yeah so, and Joey still comes to me all the time, really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so how did you know that he was okay?
Speaker 2:He told me was okay.
Speaker 1:He told you yeah, so how did he tell you?
Speaker 2:He just said tell mom.
Speaker 1:I'm home, so this was just something you were feeling.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, I could see it, I was pitch again snapshots in the mind, really shots in the mind.
Speaker 1:So take me through this. So the first, so we have the first interaction, being the fisherman guy Yep, I mean, you're fishing this guy's might possibly watching you. Then you have the interaction with this friends mom. Yep, not interaction, but you saw her, yeah. Yeah, how did you start tell me through the process, how did you start refining this, because it sounds like it took some time to refine, took a long time to refine, and I told to nobody. Nobody, not even your parents, friends, no, some has been at some level kind of lonely.
Speaker 2:So the time that I saw my buddy's friend and he just looked at me like I was crazy. Yeah so that kind of set me back a little bit. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's like alright, but like you know how can I describe somebody I've never met before? And it's in it. You know it's because now did he believe you? I mean, he had to believe me.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you describe my mom, you never met her.
Speaker 2:I think I'd believe you right, but I've never met his mom before you know, and I, honestly, when I used to go over his house, I used to go over his house because he basically lived in the basement. I'd go into the bulkhead.
Speaker 1:You didn't tell him she was hot or something. Did you know? I'm joking.
Speaker 2:I used to go into the bulkhead and never used to. I never even. I never even went upstairs to his house.
Speaker 1:I'll say just you pretty much always children in the basement.
Speaker 2:We were called the cello dwellers for a reason.
Speaker 1:Alright, and there wasn't a lot of pictures of the mom hanging around.
Speaker 2:There was no pictures of his mom hanging around. There was kegs of beer and dark boards.
Speaker 1:Shit, and so you describe it. To a tea, to a tea.
Speaker 2:It was just baffled like it's like you know. Yeah, like dude, stop messing with me. Why would you do something like that? I'm like, you know what I mean it's like, and then it's like it's set you back. Yeah, it's like shit you know, do I, do I.
Speaker 1:Now it's like now, what do I do?
Speaker 2:Like am I alienating myself from my friend because I describe someone I saw to him that happened to be his mom? You know, it's like you know, so don't talk about it.
Speaker 1:So they must spend a time in your life. How will you now fell? 54 next month 54 on October 28th, that's correct. I'll be 51 and what's that catching up to me? I well, I don't know if I'll ever actually catch up to you, but I'll try. But there must be a time that you kind of felt me. I'm just asking. It might have felt more like a burden than a blessing. Yeah right, yeah it did it was.
Speaker 2:It was because it's like alright, like now, when I see something like in a lot of times I'd like we shut myself down. I'd see something and be like nope, it's not that Because I don't want to, you don't want to deal with it, I don't want to deal with it, I don't want to lose my friends, I want to upset someone, to sat in the other, and then finally I'm like no, there's a reason why I'm like this, there's a reason why I'm like this.
Speaker 1:I need to. There is a reason I need to send these messages.
Speaker 2:I need to help these people. I need to do something they're trying to get you know. How is this person still here when they're not here, like, why is there something I need to say to somebody to make them pass on to you know, in the older, in the older I got, the more I'm like you know, what. I don't care who I offend, I'm gonna straight out say what I see and feel and everything else.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean it really shouldn't be offending anyone, but I mean I get it because you're dealing with people's emotions.
Speaker 2:Correct. It's like would you mess in with me? Would you see a picture of my mother? What did you like? You know it's like, it's stuff like that. You know, Even in like there was one time we were, I was working and I was talking to this woman and she's like she was talking about a plant that her mother planted. And she's like whatever you guys do, please don't destroy this plant, this, that and the other, so forth and so on. And I'm sitting there and I'm like talking to this woman and all.
Speaker 2:I hear, is clown feet, clown feet like clown feet, clown feet.
Speaker 1:Okay, what that? And I'm like I have to ask this woman, I have to ask this woman. I'm like I have to ask you something.
Speaker 2:I'm, like you, talking about your mom. What's up with the?
Speaker 1:clown feet.
Speaker 2:She burst into tears, really calls her husband.
Speaker 1:So is this a friend of yours, or what was the circumstance? I was working?
Speaker 2:on her yard I was landscaping. Oh okay, and she calls her husband.
Speaker 1:She's like you got to come out here right now she goes.
Speaker 2:What did you?
Speaker 1:just say.
Speaker 2:I'm like clown feet.
Speaker 1:He's like, oh my God, when her mother was passing away. She was getting like all time as a dementia.
Speaker 2:And she would say to everybody Let me see a feet, I want to see your feet. So one day her husband, as a joke, would come in with a pair of clown shoes on, like the big. Yeah, yeah yeah, she's like let me see your feet. And he picks up his feet and he has these huge red clown shoes on. Oh so I'm talking to this woman about her landscaping and I'm hearing clown feet, clown feet. She's talking about the shrub that she got her mother got, that she didn't want damaged, and I'm like.
Speaker 2:I mean, come on, what's the clown feet? I mean it's like that's the weirdest thing ever to say to somebody.
Speaker 1:That's so your working as a landscaper. That's correct, right, which I have to tell you I did is I did for one summer, it was. I did that for one summer and I did a construction for another summer. I Did that for one summer, I did construction for another summer, probably the two more the hottest, two of the hottest jobs I've ever had Landscaping. I Wasn't a biggest fan of it but I did it, and so you're doing that. So you must make it a little younger.
Speaker 2:I'm not that much younger, oh really. I mean probably 12 years ago.
Speaker 1:Oh, 12 years ago. All right, because you do a lot of Golf stuff now right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we do artificial turf and golf simulators.
Speaker 1:That's correct, All right so you don't, you're not doing landscaping so much anymore, right? So you're doing landscaping, um, professionally. Yeah, right, I was doing a kind of lump, or kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:I have a degree in horticulture.
Speaker 1:So you do, yeah, oh. Alright, so you're alright, so I was my thing.
Speaker 2:It's what I wanted to do. I was the low end.
Speaker 1:That's okay, but I won't get into me. But you, oh my god. So this lady's talking about some sort of bush outside?
Speaker 2:We were ripping everything out of the front of her house. She wanted a full blown and this, just so tell me what happened.
Speaker 1:So so you, this just is a, is a, is a, is it a a voice in your head, is it a fight in your head?
Speaker 2:Can you differentiate it's? It's like when you say something in your head like to yourself, like Do this you know, when you say, that's what you get yeah, I get that. And then I'm like like why like?
Speaker 1:why am I hearing this?
Speaker 2:Like what is like, this is the weirdest thing ever to hear.
Speaker 1:So now you have to say because it's not something that you have had in your life. That would be like coming into your head.
Speaker 2:This woman's talking to me about her. You know $40,000 landscaping job and I get clown shoes in my head. Clown, she's like alright, Like what's going on like I get a question what's up with the clown shoes? And she's just boom like, just loses it, but it was a good tears of joy.
Speaker 1:basically she's like oh, she wasn't upset with you.
Speaker 2:No, she was like oh my god, that's fantastic. She's so, so excited about it was her mom, yeah, it was her mom. Yep, wow, I was with a big red clown shoes, like so how's it?
Speaker 1:would kind of joke around with her.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah exactly Because he was. He was definitely a jokester.
Speaker 1:All right, yeah it was it was.
Speaker 2:It was one of the coolest Interactions I've ever had that sounds it yeah it was just so cool, it was even funny.
Speaker 1:Did you ever, while you're working, did you hear anything else? Did you feel anything else? Or was that?
Speaker 2:No, it's just that one. It's that. It's that one time where they know okay, I can talk to this guy, he can say something to my daughter that I can't get across, that to know that I'm okay and that's what it is, that's wow, wow have you.
Speaker 1:I have so many questions, but have you Long I'm probably a little long-winded. Oh no, I love it. I love it, but I mean, it's just, there's just so many different things that unpack, but so is there anyone in your family, that, any of your grandparents or anybody that's ever talked to you about having this type of? I Don't know if it's a cold and ability, I don't know what. I call it a gift, a gift, that's what I'd call it. I call it a gift.
Speaker 2:Not that I know of, wow.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow. And is there anyone? I know you have a son, Yep, and he does. He doesn't have that sort of ability or gift or that you know of?
Speaker 2:I don't think so, but he joins me and every ghost hunt that I usually go on.
Speaker 1:He does so, he's in, he's into it. He's definitely into it. He loves Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, first he was a little apprehensive, but now he's the older he gets, the the more he's into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he must have become a believer as well.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow, was he a skeptic at any time.
Speaker 2:No, just a frady cat.
Speaker 1:Oh, he was.
Speaker 2:Wow, I mean I tried to, I try to. Not too young, but I tried to get him around the same age that I started, you know, 14 ish, yep you know. Okay, let's go for a ride, let's check this place out.
Speaker 1:You know, just me and him you know it stick to me like glue, but he loved it, you know so when you founded the Mary Mag varely Paranormal society Like how did that happen? Walk me through it. Like did you just say I'm founding it today, or how did this all happen?
Speaker 2:I Happen to meet a gentleman named. Nick, who had my same, I wouldn't say abilities, but my same passion for the paranormal, and I'm like let's do this. Ah, let's do this, yep. And then we teamed up with this group called ghost ghost hunters of southern tri-state.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what's the tri-state?
Speaker 2:I would assume Massachusetts, new Hampshire, main main. Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I would assume, I don't know. I mean, that was his gig.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, so you didn't get involved in that.
Speaker 2:No, no we just kind of teamed up, we did we did some investigations together because we were a small group. He was a small group and we just did our thing and we did a lot of work. You know, matthew and Tandy gatehouse, we did a couple of investigation in Medford, we did one in. Rhode Island and it was, it was cool, it was like you know, and then we kind of, you know, got our feet wet and then we kind of went our separate ways.
Speaker 1:He got a couple more people to join his group and same with us, and you know we did our thing.
Speaker 2:You know we kind, of you know, teamed up and then separated.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's good. Then you were able to kind of grow your own.
Speaker 2:I still talk to him, we still communicate, we still you know, we still we're still friends and it's just like we help each other out. If you need somebody, I give him somebody, and same here I'm like hey, you want to join us? You got anything going?
Speaker 1:on. He's like no.
Speaker 2:I'd love to. So he's like in Sandown, new Hampshire, or something like that.
Speaker 1:So okay, he's not far away, yep. So Some people listening Obviously have no frame of reference for this kind of stuff, or as at all right. Is there a a movie that best depicts this type of thing? No, there isn't. So most of the Hollywood crap it's like Jaws. Yeah, it's not. You know, it's not real. It's not like yeah, no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, but at which? No? No, I mean, there is some Movies based on true stories, but they're a little, they're a little, little exaggerated.
Speaker 1:What like? What are you referring to?
Speaker 2:haunting in Connecticut, amityville, horror.
Speaker 1:Yep stuff like that, you know, and they of course even like poltergeist, and they have the Hollywood enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course, you know, you know I mean, and again, maybe there is stuff out there that that's that intense, but I've never come across it. You never crop.
Speaker 1:Like you said at the beginning, you never come across something that is Is actually have an evil intent.
Speaker 2:I've never come across anything demonic or evil. Maybe bad intentions, but I wouldn't call it demonic or evil.
Speaker 1:Okay, not. So what when you say bad intention, just kind of takes just like trying bad intentions, trying to get somebody out of the house.
Speaker 2:It's their house, they're this you know this is my house. What are you here for? Yep, you know that they don't realize they're, they're passed on or whatever, and they just you know they're truly scaring somebody, so it's not evil.
Speaker 1:So what's?
Speaker 2:you know, it's not evil.
Speaker 1:What's the scariest thing you've come across. You mind talking about it.
Speaker 2:No, I don't mind at all. I've actually seen a two-year-old child get picked up and walk towards a staircase get out of here no lie.
Speaker 1:Okay, so tell me about it.
Speaker 2:We were it, we'd you bought, gone bad.
Speaker 1:Okay, All right so explain it because I think some people, I think there's a group of people that first of all, think we do boards are full of crap, okay. And then there's other people that say wait a minute. If I use my Ouija board, what should I be doing?
Speaker 2:So this woman Her father lived with her Vietnam vet Okay wanted to get in touch with some of his buddies that passed on.
Speaker 1:Wanted to use a.
Speaker 2:Ouija board Used the. Ouija board. Used it wrong, bad things started happening. What's wrong me? Just didn't use it right.
Speaker 1:Okay, just didn't, didn't you know you didn't open the gate correctly in the gate around yourself with white light.
Speaker 2:You know, remember we lit the candles on your kitchen.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, all that in positivity positive energy.
Speaker 2:Negative energy brings negative results, so he used the Ouija board, and then bad things happened, not something that was evil, but something just with bad intentions.
Speaker 1:What's that mean to you when you say bad intentions Just?
Speaker 2:wants to cause harm to somebody evil is evil. Evil is demonic, evil is evil. Evil is just like pure pure evil like this is there's a difference between bad intentions and evil. Bad intentions just you want to.
Speaker 1:You want to scare someone you know that you're an Entity.
Speaker 2:You know that you can not be seen. You know you can. You have these. You're getting off on scaring these people. Ah, where evil is pure evil. Like I've never come across anything that's been pure evil.
Speaker 1:How do you know the difference?
Speaker 2:you, you, I would feel it instantly, really, you would know okay, you would know.
Speaker 1:So. When it's just bad intentions, how does it make you feel Angry? It does, yeah, okay, but we don't ever.
Speaker 2:And what do they really call it? Um, we don't push the envelope, we don't try to get the spirits mad. Okay because that makes things worse all right try to rational just like with a human being you treat. If you're in an argument, you're trying to rationalize with somebody you know you don't want to antagonize something all right you know you don't want to make it matter. Yeah, you want to Find out why it's being or doing what it's doing. Don't Poke the bear.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's probably I get it, don't poke the bear.
Speaker 2:Don't you get some of these ghosts, ghosts, things that they're yelling, and oh, you're a coward and you can't but but you only know, that's not what.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so. That's just getting it worse, yeah that's that's made for TV stuff.
Speaker 2:That's just making it worse. All right you know you never want to, so if you.
Speaker 1:If you're dealing with a guy that might be a little drunk at a bar, there's no real need to continue Saying bad things about him correct, correct, and it's just, you know it's, you know it's, treat anything like you want to be treated.
Speaker 2:Rationalize with it, talk to it, just be the better person. Just, you know, just see what it wants. Why is it there? Why are you? Why are you scaring this family?
Speaker 1:Like and do you ever get it? Do you have you ever got an understanding as to why, from any of these interactions?
Speaker 2:I Feel like sometimes it's more like the person one that used to live in the house Still thinks it's their house that makes sense it's, this is what? Why you here? Who is this? Why are you changing this? Why are you doing this? This is my house, you know, and they're like why are you doing this to my house now, like stop, stop. You know, it's like if I came in your house and started you know, redecorating on you like felt.
Speaker 1:What are you doing? Right, you know, it's the same thing with the spirits.
Speaker 2:They're like what are you doing in my house. Why are you here? Who are you? Right and you know, you Let them know talk to him.
Speaker 1:Let him know that, hey, you've passed on now you know now so-and-so lives here.
Speaker 2:You guys can live together. They love your house. It's a beautiful house, but they have to make it livable for themselves.
Speaker 1:Have you with your ability to connect. I guess Am I saying it correctly? Next, good, have you ever had a standing as to why some houses or some places have that type of energy in some places don't why. Why do some some energy stick around?
Speaker 2:So there's residual haunting and Residual haunting is something that happens like a tape recorder. Over and over again they don't know what's going on. They don't know that they're haunting it. It just happens, whether it's every day, once a week, once a month once a year, it just happens it just it's in the it's in the house, it's in the earth, it's in the and it's in the air, for lack of a better word.
Speaker 2:Okay, and it just happens that's a residual haunting. They don't even know they're doing it. Then there's an intelligent haunting which can interact with you. So there's, and that's. That's basically the two that you're gonna get. You're gonna get residual you're gonna get intelligent. It can answer your questions, it can interact with you, it knows you're there. Residual doesn't know you're there, it's just.
Speaker 1:It's just it's just what it's just over and over again. And so what's the more difficult to deal with? The?
Speaker 2:residual is just you. Just, there's nothing you can do about it. Right, it's just there the intelligent intelligent, is Aware of its surroundings, it knows what's going on, you know, as far as the residual goes, it's just. It's just. It's thinking if it's gonna walk through that door once a week, it's gonna walk through that door once a week, whether it opens it or not. Opens it, that's it, do you?
Speaker 1:have an interaction that they communicate to you that there's a reason why they're still here. Yeah, sometimes, yeah, sometimes is you're any kind of like, consensus or any kind of message.
Speaker 2:There's a message that's trying to get to a loved one, there's a job they feel like they have to finish. For example, we did one where this gentleman owed somebody money and he passed on and he felt really bad that he never paid his debt.
Speaker 2:really, and we from EVPs and all this information, we gathered this information and we told the owner of the house, whose name was Charlie, that we found out that the person was John that passed on, the owner of the house with Charlie. He's the one that called us there and he's like Charlie. I owe Charlie money. We kept getting in. You know, charlie, just tell John you don't owe him anything. Yet that's been paid and after that gone nothing really. Yep, yep interesting he just felt bad that he passed on. You know, in somebody money.
Speaker 1:Wow, so do you, Through these types of interactions and these experiences you're having, do you find that Some, some at least of these, what would you call them hauntings or I don't know? You'd call them spirits entities entities. Yeah are.
Speaker 2:It's almost like unfinished business a lot of times, yeah, a lot of times it's unfinished business and they are just. They just protection. They're still looking after their loved ones.
Speaker 1:So they almost feel an obligation. Yeah, I guess an obligation is a good, good word to use, right, absolutely. And are you saying that it's? It almost sounds like if they lifted of that obligation, they can move on to wherever they move it on to the light.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wow, wow. So as soon as we told Charlie about John owing him money, charlie's like John you don't owe me anything yet that's been paid, boom and how did that get communicated he? Just said it. Oh, so you like, john, I'm some sort of just you know, we show our evidence to Charlie and then, like Charlie, tell John His debts been paid. He's good. He doesn't owe you anything, and he did, you know, with a tear in his eye.
Speaker 1:Really. Yeah, wow, he's like John.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I said you know, I you know this.
Speaker 1:Going on for years. I wish you would have been much money was it. But to this person it was a, it was it, it was something important, proud person.
Speaker 2:That didn't want it. You know he owed somebody money. He had unfinished business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, wow, interesting stuff. All right, all right, great, all right. So Well, I want to talk about You've been there the eastern state penitentiary. You said that earlier in Philadelphia, before I get to that Real quick. You're also like a super beer aficionado I am you are, so tell me a little bit about it.
Speaker 2:I love craft beer. I love IPA is Like stouts, are like sour's everything.
Speaker 1:I'm not everything.
Speaker 2:Okay, not a huge when it gets really weird stuff like you know Out there. Crazy stuff like Sea salt, seaweed, beers and crazy stuff like that. No, I'm like just your basic IPA stouts and sour guy.
Speaker 1:Well, I went to a concert with you a couple months ago, two, three months ago, july, july, maybe, right. It was actually fantastic, it was awesome, right. And we your son and your nephew, my godson. Yep right. Yeah, your godson. I'm sorry, that's all right, and I remember both of them getting married.
Speaker 2:Mark got married.
Speaker 1:Mark is already married, but he was getting married when we went to the concert. That's correct.
Speaker 2:Right, maybe it was June. Okay, we saw her because he got married in late June.
Speaker 1:Okay, so yes, all right and so you're into, because that's some heavy stuff. I.
Speaker 2:Do like some really heavy music.
Speaker 1:I gotta say I was digging it.
Speaker 2:This is a few more down the road.
Speaker 1:Oh, I can't wait and, yeah, that trivium band. I really like them. Am I saying it correctly? No, trivium, yeah, yeah, it took me a while.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but You're really into the different types of beers too, right? So these two things and they combine a lot in Instagram and you're kind of getting a name for yourself. Your son I brought the concert because at the at the concert your son was was telling me that you know he went to a no, sorry, maybe a brew a beer store in Portland I think it was in Poland, maine, it was and these people recognized you so what?
Speaker 1:what is your Instagram type of thing you do on? What is it? What kind of beer stuff do you do?
Speaker 2:I just different breweries that I go to, different different concerts that I go to. Sometimes I mix the two together. Basically, you know, it's just about beer concert. I do post some paranormal pitches but I kind of Kind of leave that separate, just because it's a different, different thing. And a lot of the Paranormal stuff we do, most of it is kept Just between me and the client. Yeah, because people don't want other people to know. Hey, I know where that house is. It's haunted right, stuff like that. So most, most of our stuff is just kept in between the clients. But yeah, my Instagram is filled with music, beer and, you know, halloween stuff you're like I love better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, yeah, and I gotta tell you. So what? What is your Instagram? Phil 13, I and I. So I a nn a zz o. That's correct right on Instagram, that's right. I gotta tell you it's actually one of the cooler pages You're gonna be able to follow.
Speaker 2:So give it a little look. Give it a look, thank you yeah, yeah and Anyway.
Speaker 1:so I went to the beer store today To get some beer for Phil and I was showing them Few of your posts with the different beers, cuz I'm trying to figure out, cuz I grabbed some beer for Phil and I'm Certainly a novice in this. So I asked for some help and he commented. He said oh, this guy likes some good beer.
Speaker 2:Nice, nice.
Speaker 1:I try, yeah, so Anyway, so Kind of dovetailing or kind of shooting off from what we were talking about. We started off talking about how you are the founding member of the Mary Mac Valley Paranormal Society. That's correct, and one of the things I was looking up, getting ready to meet with you and talk, was the eastern state penitentiary I think that's in Philadelphia. Downtown Philadelphia right and they said it's one of the most haunted places in the country.
Speaker 2:It's probably one of the coolest places I've ever been to in my life. So when including the scariest place I've ever been to, really, all right.
Speaker 1:So what was the coolest part of sir? First of all, can you tell me when you win and what were the circumstances?
Speaker 2:I probably win. Maybe six years ago Circumstances was I called them up and I said I'm a Paranormal investigator from Massachusetts, my group would like to investigate the penitentiary. They're like 500 bucks, come on down for four hours, okay cool, we'll be there All right, all right, yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it costs us money, but it's all right, they gotta keep the place up, of course of course Downtown Philadelphia so it's not used as a prison anymore.
Speaker 2:It's not used as a prison. It's a really cool place at Halloween to go to if you're in the area.
Speaker 1:Oh, really so what's?
Speaker 2:what behind the walls? They call it, and it's impressive.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, so you went through it.
Speaker 2:I've been back there for for that. Yes, awesome, yes, just one of the cool. It's where it's located. It's incredible it actually had running water before the White House did.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was. Actually had literally running water before the White House did. That's how old the building is and wow, how Dark. And I don't mean dark as in like dark and like evil dark, I mean darkness Like you know, no natural light.
Speaker 1:Once you're inside, like can't see anything can't see your hand in front of your face Can't see any, like usually.
Speaker 2:You know you shut the light off. There's some kind of light, ambient light, coming from somewhere, whether the moon, if you're in the inside of East and East Eastern State, penitentiary Darkness, real, your darkness.
Speaker 1:So what was the coolest part of being there? He said it was cool and it was scary, it just massive building.
Speaker 2:The way it's set up is incredible. It just just the the, the aura of it, of the field the energy on it. Each cell you know, just like caves, almost like a cave, with a tiny hole in the bottom of the, used to call it the eye of God, and they would tell the prisoners that the Eye of God is looking down on you.
Speaker 1:So what was the whole for? Just like, just that was the only light, that was the only light they got.
Speaker 2:And then there was a door Outside, on the backside of their prison, that they would open up, and there was a hallway With like 15 foot walls in it and they'd be able to go out there for an hour a day. So did it have a ceiling or no? It was. It was opened.
Speaker 1:That was it.
Speaker 2:It was open to the air, but it was like a narrow hallway and they just go in there and they come back and that's the only opportunity of daylight they would get Really. Yeah, al Capone was there. We visited Al Capone cell. It just was cool, just eerie, just just noises, so much going on. It was almost almost too much to to take in so when you went, did you go with someone else?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it was the group. Okay and how many people in that?
Speaker 2:We have those four of us. That went okay. And then there was a tour guide, because obviously we're paying for the tour guy I'm paying for and you know He'd go through and he'd explained to us before we went into an area when we were going what it was and then we do our investigation and stuff like that. Did we get evidence? Not really no, but just the experience alone. Again, I think I said it earlier, it's like fishing sometimes you get to fish, sometimes you don't yeah.
Speaker 2:But just the experience. And then we went to Getty's birthday the next day, which was absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1:Did you have any experiences at Getty's bird?
Speaker 2:Getty's Berg was definitely an experience.
Speaker 1:What do you?
Speaker 2:mean here gunfire you heard it. Yeah, you could hear it, like you could hear it, really gunshots.
Speaker 1:When you say you can hear it, it's not audio, they're playing.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, Absolutely not audio. They're playing really yep gunshots. I just lot of like Movement noises that there's just nothing there you know we went in February.
Speaker 1:So you're just looking at the area and you're feeling these things.
Speaker 2:One of the battlefields you're going to each. You know round top little round top.
Speaker 1:I mean, I gotta tell you, phil, I don't think that most people that go Hear gunshots. So I think you have some sort of connection. I mean, I would say so possibly yeah, definitely possibly, I mean yeah, I mean, I mean, of course I have a connection.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's without, without a question, but just just the history, the, the, the meaning of Gettysburgs itself was just a privilege, just to be there. Yeah, you know just what it meant to this country and everything else. It was just, it was just incredible, wow, just I highly highly recommend a trip to get a go anybody.
Speaker 2:I've never been, just go and just everybody I talked to says something pretty deep to say about it, so much there's so much to do other than the battlefields like the Jenny Wade house and stuff like that, and just, I mean, we got some actually Gettysburg the battlefield. We didn't get anything, but we did get a picture of the Jenny Wade house. Jenny Wade was shot. She was like a nurse or whatever in in a house.
Speaker 1:She was shot by a bullet that came through so she was a nurse taking care of the wounded of that boy at the battle, and then there was Claims, there was a, there was.
Speaker 2:If you look in this mirror and you take a picture of it, sometimes you see Jenny Wade. Yep well, lo and behold, we got a picture of two of our people get out of here to. I'll show it to you the next time.
Speaker 1:I gotta see it.
Speaker 2:Picture of two of our people, and over the shoulder is this woman that you can see right through her, but you can see her also. Really awesome picture, awesome picture.
Speaker 1:So how do you know who's in the picture?
Speaker 2:Dave, you looked at well, the two pictures two people were with us and Then the person that was the third person. The picture wasn't in the picture when we took the picture. Do you know what I'm?
Speaker 1:saying no. But I mean, have you ever looked at anybody else's that said they have taken a picture and there's a same thing in your picture.
Speaker 2:You know I'm trying to say yeah, I mean we have, but like they're not similar, so it could be, could be anything, I gotta see it may not be Jenny Wade personally, but it could be another spear.
Speaker 1:It was. Who knows this, and you can see she's not dressed like up-to-date dress.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like almost like a, like a doily thing around her neck.
Speaker 1:Really yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll show it to you the next time.
Speaker 1:I don't know, wow, yeah, so Someone took a photograph so you took a photograph of the of the mirror.
Speaker 2:Yeah, two people were in it.
Speaker 1:What was it? A phone or a picture of a camera?
Speaker 2:regular camera. Okay, regular camera yeah.
Speaker 1:Is it like a digital camera?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Honestly, that whole area I I highly rate.
Speaker 1:it's a great, great take was that your most intense experience Um? I?
Speaker 2:No, I would say the house where we talked about, the one where the baby got picked up and carried to the stairs. Yeah, was that on the air or was that just when you're talking about Go through?
Speaker 1:it again.
Speaker 2:So we were at a house. The Ouija Board, yes, the Ouija Board we did talk about that. Yeah, that was probably my most intense.
Speaker 2:Other than one time. In Haverle, in a building in Haverle we were investigating Haverle mass. We were investigating a old basically an old mill building in downtown Haverle and we were watching a shadow go across. We were on the third floor, so there's no, there's no contamination from anything on the streets because we had three floors up. Yup, there's a fourth floor of the building. We were watching a shadow go from window to window, interrupting the light, and then we followed it up a set of stairs. I got to the top of the set of stairs before everybody else did turn the corner and there was a woman standing in front of me with basically it looked like children around her and then behind her was basically set up like a schoolroom. There was like old school desk, there was like old hobby horses and stuff like that. It was a storage area, but it was old, old school stuff and it just looked like a woman. She was in big, big dress and with like a circle going around or almost like a whirlpool, for lack of a better word.
Speaker 2:But we heard like laughing and giggling and it was. We assumed it was children.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:I saw it, Nick saw it and Nick panicked and took off and left me up there.
Speaker 1:Wow, so what happened next?
Speaker 2:I also left.
Speaker 1:You did, yeah, all right. How long did you wait?
Speaker 2:It was. It felt it felt like hours, but it was probably 10 seconds. Yep, it was a lot of energy. It's like almost like like it's a lot of static energy, a lot, of a lot of energy, like almost like adrenaline, but it was. But it was also peaceful at the same time, like does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it was cool. Wow, that was the old River City Billiards in Haverle. I don't know what it is now.
Speaker 1:Where's that? Where was?
Speaker 2:that Right on, right on the main drag there. Okay, what street is that, washington? I think it's Washington Street, right as soon as downtown Haverle, one of the biggest buildings there.
Speaker 1:Is that why you were called there for that type of?
Speaker 2:thing. Yeah, really Yep. And so it got unresolved.
Speaker 1:How did it go over the end?
Speaker 2:The end was we just said, yeah, the place is haunted.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow, did you ever go back?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You did Yep we went back a couple of times. Any kind of interaction after that.
Speaker 2:I was kind of calm. It was you know it's. It was kind of calm, but it was cool. Wow, you know. I mean noises and like if you were on one floor you would hear something moving on the second floor. So the first two floors were bar in a restaurant and then the other two floors were basically empty. Yep, so they were saying like when they were cleaning up at night they could hear people upstairs.
Speaker 1:So, like one of the guys, had run upstairs and be like all right, who's up here? You're not supposed to be up here, but there was nobody up there, so that's why we went there and you could definitely hear like people moving around upstairs that when there was nobody up there. Wow.
Speaker 2:And then you could hear people screaming in the morning anyways which is the only downfall of out coast hunting. Wow. Sleep deprivation.
Speaker 1:Really yeah, well, cause you're up?
Speaker 2:late. Yeah, oh yeah. And then you're all jazzed up, so you want to go home and look at your, look at all your evidence and everything else, and the next thing you know, the sun's coming up and you haven't gone to bed yet. Wow, wow.
Speaker 1:Hey, do you have a? I know we're going to wrap it up, but have you ever which? I'd like to do this again sometime before you can. Let me know when have you ever had experience of seeing something and then you thought it would be captured on your equipment and it wasn't? Yeah, all the time it happens a lot. All the time, yep, interesting. Are you here or something?
Speaker 2:And then you expect the your digital voice recorded to pick it up and it doesn't yeah. So yeah, there's times where you've, yeah, absolutely, we're like, oh my God. I saw that when I realized I can't wait to look at the evidence. And then nothing. Or you see something, or the opposite. Or you see something and you're like, oh man, I hope the camera picked that up. And then you go back and you can hear you like, oh my God, look at that, there's something moving, you know from that built over there. And then you look at your camera or you look at your thermal imaging camera and there's that thing you saw, and you saying, really, and that's the perfect evidence when it coincides with everything else, we're like, oh my God, there's something moving, you know from left to right and it's looks like a, like a blob, and then you get it on film, you get it on voice recorder and that's the Holy Grail, wow.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, I gotta, I gotta see some of this stuff that you have some of these days.
Speaker 2:We'll take, we'll take. I want to go on one of these, yeah.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. And then there's the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Is it a another dimension? What is it? But?
Speaker 2:that's a whole nother level. That's a story for another time. Right, that's beyond, that's beyond me. Yeah, you know, I'm just trying to figure out one thing at a time. Absolutely, you know, but I would absolutely love to do this again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Please check out Phil at Phil 13, ianazo I-A-N-N-A-Z-O on Instagram and if you have any questions or if you need to reach out to him regarding his Merrimack Valley Paranormal Society, it's at Merrimack M-E-R-R-I-M-A-C-K-V-P-S at gmailcom, correct.
Speaker 2:That's correct.
Speaker 1:Thanks, thanks again, phil. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me Love to do it again, all right, thanks.
